tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post3202360409315432984..comments2024-01-26T10:20:37.836+00:00Comments on Diary of a Goldfish: Just like any other illness.The Goldfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15213378454070776331noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-44691075098837836382009-01-10T15:43:00.000+00:002009-01-10T15:43:00.000+00:00Hi -- I wanted to make sure you knew about the lat...Hi -- I wanted to make sure you knew about the latest that is happening with Jerry and his, yes, humanitarian award:<BR/><BR/>Jerry Lewis, the man who runs the annual Telethon to raise money for people with muscular dystrophy in the US is about to receive a humanitarian award. Many people in the disability community is protesting this award because they feel that Jerry perpetuates and entrenches negative, harmful stereotypes toward people with disabilities. More about the petition campaign at: <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/jlno2009/petition.html" REL="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/jlno2009/petition.html</A><BR/><BR/>There is also a Facebook group at <A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40538392681" REL="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40538392681</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-15387759714038644142007-09-06T08:14:00.000+01:002007-09-06T08:14:00.000+01:00Well the whole thing is posted here, from experien...Well the whole thing is posted here, from experience we have an organisation which will do anything to show those injured are always in the wrong and they will go to extrordinary lngths to protect their position and paint themselves as the good guys.<BR/><BR/> So if you consider a post you may need to read the full story first, and considr that such reports are always designed and written to try and win favour of the strongest party, if you like <BR/><BR/> <BR/>http://www.accforum.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5422&pid=51018&st=0&#entry51018Gone Fishinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601595396241016724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-27913844869204081562007-09-06T07:54:00.000+01:002007-09-06T07:54:00.000+01:00"Impairment is an entirely neutral fact like sex o..."Impairment is an entirely neutral fact like sex or skin colour"<BR/><BR/>Brilliant. I'm nicking that if you don't mind.marmiteboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06727386811098683743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-68756712681328319482007-09-06T00:34:00.000+01:002007-09-06T00:34:00.000+01:00Makes sense to me! There again I probably have cu...Makes sense to me! There again I probably have custard in my veins - love it.<BR/>CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-33564986074993024182007-09-05T23:52:00.000+01:002007-09-05T23:52:00.000+01:00Yes, this I can understand - the idea of the umbre...Yes, this I can understand - the idea of the umbrella of strength. For instance one of the issues in LGBT lobbying and organizations is that T is gender identity and LGB is sexual orientation - but since most people in the public don't know the difference and because T (And B) are so small to not make a difference by themselves it is better to work toward education and equality for all - which means legal protection like the ADA. <BR/><BR/>So I think while we are drawn together in disability through shared social experience I also think we are drawn together in choosing to be part of a disability network, moving society toward the ability to differentiate, accomadate and treat us equally as individuals with individual conditions.<BR/><BR/>I kinda thought I agreed with you - do you think I agreed with you?Elizabeth McClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627373214555333537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-36834230595106909332007-09-05T14:25:00.000+01:002007-09-05T14:25:00.000+01:00Elizabeth - This is a little tricky. First off, we...Elizabeth - This is a little tricky. First off, we may be at cross-purposes with language. I'm talking about models of disability, not models of mental ill health, which are two very different areas of discussion. In particularly, I'm challenging the dominant Charity Model of disability; disabled people are broken and it is only out of pity and kindness that they might be helped and accommodated. <BR/><BR/>The Social Model of Disability, the reality of the situation as I see it, is one in which the very thing which makes us disabled - the <I>only</I> thing you and I have in common with someone with Autism, a deaf person or someone with Spina Bifada, for example - is the social response to us as people with impairments. In the same way queerness is about a social status, as opposed to any specific sexual orientation, if that makes sense?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, impairment is morally neutral, but our social responses to it are not. If a suicide - or any death - can be prevented through social and medical intervention, then it should. <I>The fact a person's life is endangered by depression makes that life no less worthy than any other.</I> But dominant models of disability say it does; this person's injuries, on being omitted to hospital, are self-inflicted, so why should anyone care? <BR/><BR/>Actually, you know, I think I need to do a proper blog post about this to answer these points - and Nobby's too. Hmm.The Goldfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213378454070776331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-21844154029788900222007-09-05T09:25:00.000+01:002007-09-05T09:25:00.000+01:00Hmm maybe its a starnge connection but Ic ame acro...Hmm maybe its a starnge connection but Ic ame across this on a discussion group site today and it seems to fit in here<BR/><BR/>Seems from this persons experience questioning those in authority in New Zealand is not a good idea, shades of the Blue Caps of the Gulag<BR/><BR/>Psychotic Symptoms<BR/><BR/>Mr. xxxx describes a belief that various individuals and organisations have deliberately lost health information, even though he is not sure why they would do so.<BR/><BR/>He also believes he has been harassed by the police from time to time, has been harassed by Insurocorp, that they have investigated him for fraud and as part of this the investigators have harassed him by following him about and speaking to him.<BR/><BR/>His wife indicated that she had also heard these people, so it seems that these are not auditory hallucinations.<BR/>They are not occurring at present as far as I can tell and there did not seem to be any frank delusions of reference or delusions of persecution presentGone Fishinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601595396241016724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-76385469736216600692007-09-05T08:45:00.000+01:002007-09-05T08:45:00.000+01:00I have read and re-read your comment and I don't u...I have read and re-read your comment and I don't understand it, particularly the phrase "we cannot address stigma by kowtowing to existing dominant models of disability"<BR/><BR/>Which models? Social, Individual, societal, medical, cultural, all?<BR/><BR/>One of my major problems, for example, is to try to stop the "anti-conglomerate" attitude in North America which pushes an idea that pills like Prozac are a conspiracy....while every 13 minutes in the US someone commits suicide - most of which are preventable with societal and medical support. <BR/><BR/>How do I do that and walk away from a social and medical model? I don't consider depression which leads to suicide to be "morally neutral", I think it is a moral black mark on a society. Is a condition or person who is literally crying for help "morally neutral?" <BR/><BR/>I am not a big fan of the UK's anti-stigma campaign becuase like the anti-bullying campaign is seems to have nothing to address or attack the societal core values. If the government spent a few hundred million setting up mental health ER's, that would likely send a message that those illnesses are equal to other dramatic and life threatening illnesses. But that doesn't mean I don't think there need to be anti-stigma campaigns - just ones which actually fulfill their objectives.<BR/><BR/>If I seem a bit frustrated, that is not to do with this post but rather outside concerns which I have just been informed of - so I am not sure, in this state, if I am questioning reasonably or with a sledge hammer.Elizabeth McClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627373214555333537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-13672215987841627692007-09-04T22:52:00.000+01:002007-09-04T22:52:00.000+01:00Thanks everyone,I'm glad it made some sense. :-)El...Thanks everyone,<BR/><BR/>I'm glad it made some sense. :-)<BR/><BR/>Elizabeth - I agree with everything you say, but my point about this isn't that we shouldn't attempt to address stigma, merely that we cannot address stigma by kowtowing to existing dominant models of disability. <BR/><BR/>If they did work, if mental ill health was merely promoted to the status of physical ill health, then that would be better than it is just now but unsatisfactory. Unfortunately, this method doesn't work <I>at all</I>. There's <A HREF="http://www.mind.org.uk/News+policy+and+campaigns/Press/AW2007-07-06publicattitudes.htm" REL="nofollow">evidence </A> that things are actually getting worse.<BR/><BR/>The kind of methods you suggest are eminently sensible; it's the method I'm criticising, not the intention.The Goldfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213378454070776331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-68511285563024475432007-09-04T20:07:00.000+01:002007-09-04T20:07:00.000+01:00I agree that such an ideal world is worth working ...I agree that such an ideal world is worth working for. However, I think that a) people will always want in some way to be understood - which is why literature for example exists and b) often an effective way to move people who are not acting in an ideal way is to give them the information they need to reevaluate their own understanding. <BR/><BR/>Groups like PFLAG and gay rights organizations work at a ground level to educate people away from stereotype by illustrating with real examples along with information. They try to get the range of presentation in media (like there are LGBT people of colour and not all lesbians are evil and or planning to murder someone). <BR/><BR/>If all that is desired is unknowing acceptance, then the fact that virtually all manic depressives/bipolar are presented in media as loose cannon/dangerous shouldn't matter because in truth there ARE some bipolar people acting like loose cannons. That might not represent the majority of bipolar, uni-depressive, OCD or other disabilities (I sure there is SOMEONE like TV's Monk, who is held up for laughter, and some sort of acceptance, I guess, but not much education). <BR/><BR/>That's why I think groups which advocate education work well while we wait for the idea world. And the best which I hope for is not sympathy, but understanding (by whatever context that might be possible for that person - I am thinking of the spoons analogy which is used as a disability education tool).Elizabeth McClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627373214555333537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-16625299427787055722007-09-04T18:32:00.000+01:002007-09-04T18:32:00.000+01:00Once again one of your posts reminds me that I don...Once again one of your posts reminds me that I don't get over to your site nearly often enough!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-15019570845151748762007-09-04T04:06:00.000+01:002007-09-04T04:06:00.000+01:00Thank you!Thank you!S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957943262402999997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-74964081986282192482007-09-04T00:15:00.000+01:002007-09-04T00:15:00.000+01:00Makes total sense actually and I really like the c...Makes total sense actually and I really like the connection of this topic with mental illness....even "among us" you hear pity for people with disabilities/illness that are not physical....same thing no matter where it comes from-pity and it doesn't help anyone! Thanks SO much for participating:-) You really helped make it a success!Karahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15088971759754451387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-22601480890003013262007-09-03T23:06:00.000+01:002007-09-03T23:06:00.000+01:00Very well put. It was pointed out to me by one of ...Very well put. It was pointed out to me by one of my commenters that my own post tended to glide over mental illness, etc., and this really covers the ground I missed.Ahistoricalityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04004964192885891003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-40606264269474759102007-09-03T22:38:00.000+01:002007-09-03T22:38:00.000+01:00You're very eloquent, Goldfish. In my oft-muddled ...You're very eloquent, Goldfish. In my oft-muddled state I appreciate the fact that you can put into words thoughts that occur to me but refuse to be expressed coherently.Cusphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10717783581169397585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-6248654906422047302007-09-03T22:31:00.000+01:002007-09-03T22:31:00.000+01:00Very nicely put, Ms Goldfish.<I>Very</I> nicely put, Ms Goldfish.Lady Bracknellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140991035663374911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-67074807330675481372007-09-03T17:49:00.000+01:002007-09-03T17:49:00.000+01:00Go, Goldfish, go...Go, Goldfish, go...imfunnytoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12942406430628029505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10557263.post-21336663799587941072007-09-03T17:20:00.000+01:002007-09-03T17:20:00.000+01:00It makes terrific sense to me. This is a great co...It makes terrific sense to me. This is a great contribution to the day.Penny L. 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