------------ ---------- Diary of a Goldfish: I'm going mssing for a while


Diary of a Goldfish

Friday, March 30, 2007

I'm going mssing for a while

Increasingly, I’m having these telephone conversations clearing up the fact that I don’t share a surname with the person to whom I am married. I don’t mind doing so; I realise mine is not the default set-up, although it is hardly rare.

“So what is your correct name?” I will be asked.

“The Goldfish.”

“Is that Miss or Mrs?”

“Um, Ms please, M S.”

Then follows a short silence as this is written down or typed in, during which there is an immense temptation to say, “Yes, I’m sorry about that. I’m afraid I am a bit of a bitch.”

I don’t like being a bitch. Don’t have any pride in it. I have never liked being a Ms, only it is infinitely preferable to Mrs or Miss. I don’t like causing anybody any inconvenience, or contradicting people’s assumptions. I don’t care if businesses or individuals I don’t know address me as Mrs AJ’s Surname – I only cause a fuss when, for example, Mrs AJ’s Surname is being charged a thousand pounds in tax that Ms Goldfish is exempt from. I can be unreasonable like that.

Ms Wiz Spells TroubleThe Ms thing started with a children’s book. It was the very first book I bought with my own money, through a book club at school. You could save up stamps, a few pence at a time and eventually buy a book. The book I bought was called Ms Wiz Spells Trouble by Terence Blacker.

Ms Wiz was a schoolteacher who could do magic and the first female fictional character who I truly admired. I don’t have the book any more and I can’t quite remember quite how it went, but one of the children asked why she was called Ms and she explained that she was much too grown up to be called Miss and yet had absoluetly no intention of gettting married. I'm sure it was slightly more powerful than that, as at the tender age of sevenish, I knew I too would address myself as Ms when I grew up. At the same time, it was becoming more commonplace to have both married and unmarried teachers who addressed themselves as Ms and when I reached sixteen and got to deal with my own paperwork, I became Ms Goldfish. It was quite obvious to me that this was what all the women of my generation would do.

It doesn’t matter to me that they don’t. It doesn’t matter that many women my age are taking their husband’s surnames. It's a personal choice and really rather trivial in the greater scheme of things. This entirely post is extremely trivial in the greater scheme of things but I'm probably over half way through already. However, it does bug me that other women seem to care about my choices.

I knew an office team, a group of female colleagues who would have a snigger and whisper “Ms Bitch!” every time they had correspondence or conversation with someone who addressed themselves Ms. Women, who know my name and don’t really need to entitle me at all, insist on addressing correspondence to Miss Goldfish or Mrs AJ’s Surname. Women who call themselves Ms have a bee in their bonnet you see, and therefore, apparently, are undeserving of respect.

Buzz.


Truth be told, differentiation between unmarried and married women in English only started in the 19th century. Previously, Mistress was used as the default term of respect to adult women, like Mister was and is for adult men, and Miss was the diminutive, only used for female children, as Master was and is used for boys too young to be called Mr. So we are not rewriting too ancient a rule in our language too much to reject this system. Yet if I do use Mrs Goldfish, well folks will assume I am married to someone other than the man I live with.

Perhaps I should try the full Mistress. When we married, we did consider rejecting both our patronymic surnames altogether and calling ourselves Mister and Mistress Ploppy...

It does seem slightly odd that it is women who seem so invested in this stuff, that it is always women who have defied or challenged my choices. I guess some men have strong feelings about what they would like the women they might marry to do, but they have no particular investment in the choices of other women. My Dad makes a fuss of course, but then I have effectively condemned him to a lifelong nominal association with me. He can't marry out of it like I could.

I guess this relates to what Sage was writing about the other day, about being condemned by other women for doing whatever she feels like. Many women, it seems, really wish there wasn't a choice about this stuff. But there is; a completely free choice. If you recognise this choice, along with all the other choices you have in life, you probably made the right one for yourself. If you don't and think I don't deserve a choice either, then it's quite possible you got it wrong.

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Comments on "I'm going mssing for a while"

 

Anonymous Stu Savory said ... (9:08 AM) : 

Of course, as a mere man, I don't even get a choice; it's MR whther I like it or not :-(

At least when I was a lad it was Master (abbreviation unknown). I was just happy as a teenager that our surname was not Bates ;-)

 

Anonymous Rocky Spring said ... (9:27 AM) : 

TITLES When my Caregiver and I got together it created an seemingly enourmous problem for many people.

How does one pigeon hole a woman who looks after an injured man yet is not his wife.

Years past and I got quite used to being introduced, even by her Mother to company as. Well that was where she found great difficulty and usually resorted to me as her Daughter's Wotsitsname.

After 10 years together we Married as people do.

Then in official eyes "Supervisory Caregiver" became "oh you are just his wife!"

And that weee matter of an unpaid "Supervisory caregiver", recognised and entitled to payment but unpaid boils along still.

When we Married we adopted a single Surname, more for convenience than anything else and our "Maiden" names were very similar anwyay.

Her title?
I usually refer to her as "Mum" which horrifies or mystifies many people

Which brings us to Kids, out kids, all six of them in total!

have grown up with a vast array of our friends, all of whom they know as Aunty or Uncle thingamebob.

Apparently such upsets a great number of people for some pedantic reasons
That all "our" Kids call us Mum or Dad, although we may not strictly be such to "normal" families annoys some people intensly.

"Mum" is known at School either as "Jackie" or Mrs Spring,depending on what the child prefers or in some cases is demanded from "forward" little so and sos.

Problem is with the surname which My family adopted when they left Europe in the 1070's or there about, no ideas what it was before that, possibly "Duck" or "Ganz"

"mum's family, also from Europe, changed the spelling of their name to simlify matters about the same time

So having discovered that in this technological age officialdom can recreate ones identity to suit their needs one realises that names and titles really are pretty well whatever makes one happy at the time and if someone is unhappy with ones Title, well guess whose problem that is.

Seems there is no "etched stone" record of anybodys title tis all a bit of whispy myftery, even Billy Shakespeare, I saw somewhere had several versions and spellings of his title

As for the "Ms" and "Bitch" conotations I have met a great many Misses and Mrssesesses who were far bigger bitches to more people than any "Ms" could ever hope to be.
Ms I have met always seem down to erath straight to the point and tend not to wear ointy shoes, tight dresses and crossed kneees with come on smiles when interviewing the old bent crippled half blind Antichrist before them.

 

Blogger Mary said ... (11:12 AM) : 

I think I mostly changed my name because, given a choice of my husband's name or my father's name, I knew which I'd prefer. Since then, I've never had to spell my surname over the phone, it's great.

Fired up as Ms after I left him. You're right about companies having a problem with it - most of my mail is addressed to Mrs or Miss Mary Xyz, although for a while my old dialup ISP kept addressing letters to MR Mary Xyz which was amusing.

 

Blogger Sally's Life said ... (12:25 PM) : 

My married name is sufficiently unique and distinguised (in ancestral deeds and female daring-do) to be proud to keep, but I would like to have a string of my maternal ancestors surnames included in mine, because they are either unusual and have a lovely sound, or they seem to fit the character that is known of those women.

I think it is easier when one arrives at the 5th decade, to be a Ms Sally. I re-named myself from Mrs when I began to work full time after my divorce, when the 'back-woods-men' of this little rural town who employed me, objected when I asked to be paid the standard local government rate for the job, as I only needed pin-money (yes they used that term) as a Mrs who therefore would be financially supported by a husband. This was only 15 years ago.

There is that other title of 'Mester' that was familiar in my northern childhood, which seemed to seperate out those males who stood no nonsense from anyone; mates (as in friends), whippets, bosses or wives.

 

Blogger Timbo said ... (1:21 PM) : 

If my bride-to-be wants to keep her own surname, take mine, be a Mrs or be a Miss, or a Ms, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
All I want is her, and I think (hope) that applies from her side of things too.
Fingers crossed eh?

 

Anonymous Andrea said ... (3:15 PM) : 

I kept my last name--and gave it to Frances, too, which really seems to rile a lot of people. But it's a great way to weed out telemarketers. Anyone who asks for "Mrs. husband'slastname" obviously doesn't know me, and I just say there's no one there by that name and hang up.

 

Blogger Mary said ... (5:25 PM) : 

Andrea - say in the coldest tone of voice you can muster, "There is no Mrs Husbandslastname." or better yet "there is no longer a Mrs Husbandslastname. Can I ask if you knew her?" which is great if the person in question has remarried.

Then enjoy as they scramble to work out if it's their cockup or a death in the family :D

 

Anonymous Lauren said ... (5:57 PM) : 

Eh, I feel like the word "mistress" identifies the person your husband is sleeping with behind your back.

As Lindsey Buckingham once said: "No one falls into a simple set of labels." :) I like that theory.

 

Blogger Sage said ... (8:20 PM) : 

It's all trivial in the grand scheme, yet can be monstrous in the daily grind. I actually considered doing a PhD to be able to call myself Dr. Sage! I like the ring to that. But the time and money weren't worth the title.

Even though my guy and I both hyphenated our names, I'm still Ms. - and it has taken on a bitchy connotation. Perhaps just as well. It sure beats Mrs. which just sounds so matronly to me, or Miss which in my mind refers to a little girl.

 

Blogger Lady Bracknell said ... (11:01 PM) : 

Here's an interesting little factoid for you:-

You can't be announced as a "Ms" in Buckingham Palace when it's your turn to receive your gong.

I could have been Mrs Editor, or Miss Editor, but not Ms Editor.

The reason they give for this is that the difference between 'Miss' and 'Ms' wouldn't be audible to the glittering throng.

It goes without saying, therefore, that I insisted on being listed and announced as plain 'Editor'.

Not that I am passionately wedded (ha, ha) to being a Ms in the general scheme of things, you understand, but I really do resent not being given the option.

 

Anonymous Emma said ... (12:00 AM) : 

I *loved* Ms Wiz when I was little. I have happy memories of being in hospital and just home from hospital and reading about her. Thank you for the reminder!

 

Blogger The Goldfish said ... (12:09 AM) : 

Thanks everyone,

Stu - :-)

Rocky - Alas, husbands who care for their wives are often considered selfless heroes, whereas wives who take a caring role are just doing their duties. Which of course disadvantages both parties in the couple.

It is funny how people can be about the way others run their families. Personally, I think we have bonds of love or no bonds at all; whether there is any blood relationship between our 'family' members is kind of academic.

No pointy shoes for me, although no guarantees about the expression on my face should I ever meet an old bent crippled half blind Antichrist. ;-)

Mary - I have frequently gone under Mr, on account of the fact that I often use just my initials, and the male default is assumed. It amuses me, especially if I have to phone up and say in my most fluffy voice, "Hello, this is Mr Goldfish."

Sally - Pin Money? Oh dear. I have actually had two male friends who have adopted their mother's maiden name, for completely different reasons - one was, as you might guess, a vehement wish to disassociate himself from an abusive father. But it's much harder for men to do that.

Timbo - good for you. :-)

Andrea - Sage has written about the naming kids thing. I must say I have considered using my Mother's maiden name as a second middle name, but it is a bit odd; a fairly commonplace noun, but not a commonplace surname. (Wish I could disclose it here, because it would probably make you laugh, but I currently use it as security information, alas).

Lauren - Yes, Mistress does have that problem. :-)

Sage - I'm really hoping for some sort of honoury title, but yeah, I have thought of a PhD like that myself.

Editor - I didn't have you marked as a rabid feminist ;-P but yes, a very good call. In a way I wonder whether we could do away with titles altogether. Or just have one for everyone?

Emma - Good to find another fan! It looks like the book is out of print just now, which is a real shame.

 

Blogger Kev said ... (7:28 AM) : 

Mr Kev and I are not married, although people assume (understandably) that we are, because we have been together for a v. long time, and have children. So I am definitely (and quite happy to be bloody awkward about it, should the need arise) a Ms; I confound telephone callers regularly by saying there is no Mrs Kev at this address. The girls are hyphenated, because I wanted them to have my name too, but neither really uses the full cumbersome result. One prefers my surname, the other her father's. And why not?

Many women of my acquaintance have not taken their husband's name. However, the odd one or two (I used to think this was just my mother being a dreadful martyr) insist on correspondence addressed to them as Mrs Husband's Full Name, only to be superseded by Mrs Own Forename plus Husband's Surname upon widowhood. I find that more than a little strange, I confess.

 

Blogger Charlesdawson said ... (11:21 AM) : 

I tried to post this before, but Blogger swallowed it, so I hope it doesn't regurgitate it just because I have tried again.

There is no obligation in English law for you to take a husband's name, any more than there is for him to take yours. Although that has happened; when a great property ended up with only a female to inherit, it was usually the rule that any guy she married had to change his name to hers before getting his hands on the loot, in order to present an illusion of continuity of descent.

Run that one past AJ, see how he reacts.

I read a Barbara Vine novel recently (The Brimstone Wedding, can recommend) where a woman who didn't want to take her husband's name, simply required to be called Jane Doe (or whaterver), no title.

Otherwise, why not carry the war into the enemy's camp? Next time some twinset-and-pearls raises and eyebrow at your nomenclature or style, just say sweetly that you've never felt the need to advertise to the whole world that you have succeeded in catching a man.

 

Blogger fluttertongue said ... (12:39 PM) : 

If I were to marry my boyfriend and take his name my initials would be ILL. Apt.

 

Blogger The Goldfish said ... (6:49 PM) : 

Kev - Hi, the Mrs Husband's Full Name, is baffling to me, although I have read stuff about language and ettiquette which suggests that is in fact "correct" - that Mrs should always precede the name of the husband, if he is alive. I mean, that's your whole name. My mother often gets post in that title and she hates it.

Charles - we did actually talk about this. But we both felt that it was better to keep our own names. AJ especially felt that it would cause far more inconvenience for him to change his name, because it would be considered suspect for a man to do that. I'm not so sure, but I wouldn't ask him to do it.

Fluttertongue - if I'd taken AJ's name I would have become DHS; good initials to claim benefits with! Mind you, my sister did take her husband's name and became RAT!

 

Anonymous Vic said ... (7:25 PM) : 

Since I suspect you haven't the spare cash to buy a title, there is always this! When I put in Goldfish it gave me: Countess-Palatine Goldfish the Portable of New Scagglethorpe. And mine's kind of appropiate: Duchess Victoria the Somnolent of Deep Throcking

 

Blogger Mary said ... (9:20 AM) : 

Vic - deep throcking sounds very rude.

As far as the man changing his name goes, I've only known one couple who did that and they had all sorts of problems doing it. Including enquiries about the husband's sexuality, which for a middle-aged truck driver was quite a shock.

 

Blogger S. said ... (7:07 AM) : 

De-lurking from Stateside:

The Buckingham Palace bit made me laugh because in the dialect of the African-American and Puerto Rican kids I used to tutor, "Mrs." and "Ms." were pronounced identically. There's the Queen's English, and then there's North Philly.

 

Anonymous anna said ... (12:21 AM) : 

I didn't take my husband's surname lo those many years ago that we were married. I count myself extremely lucky that I could not care less what other people think of my decision. That said, I haven't run into a lot of judgment about it either. This might be because a)I haven't been paying attention or b)I've also made the choice to live on both coasts of the US but never in the middle.

 

Blogger Unmana said ... (9:15 AM) : 

I have always been sure that I didnt want to change my name when I got married. In my six months of experience being married (as yet), I have already encountered raised eyebrows and one bank employee who assumed my husband was my brother because we did not share his name. We have also had telemarketers etc. ask for my husband by "Mr Mylastname", which occasioned some fun. :)

 

Blogger Julep said ... (4:56 PM) : 

The good news here is that it's becoming increasingly common for women to consider what they would like to be called after marriage.

Howevever, I don't think many women have considered (much less stated a preference) regarding being a Miss, Ms., or Mrs.

As for me, I'm pretty animated about being a Ms.

 

Blogger Sandy D. said ... (11:22 PM) : 

Ugh. If any co-workers thought I was a bitch for using Ms. (and keeping my last name), I doubt we would *ever* be on a first name basis. That's MS. to you, ladies.

There's a similar and interesting discussion on last names (based on a really, really silly argument about genealogy) over here at The Happy Feminist.

 

Blogger Smiffy said ... (10:58 AM) : 

My wife - who changed her name to mine for one week, decided it was too weird and then reverted - uses Ms, but only when paperwork requires a salutation. Personally, I hate ANY salutation and think that they have no place in C21st society.

One thing that does amuse me is answering the phone (a rarity for me) and asking if I am Mr [Wife's Surname] and I say no - it really throws them.

 

Blogger Terence said ... (10:00 AM) : 

Terence Blacker here - I wrote Ms Wiz Spells Trouble and was very proud to read the effect Ms W had on your life. She's still going strong, with some of the books being reprinted next year by Andersn Press, although she has become slightly stranger over the years. But then who hasn't?

Congratulations on a funny and interesting blog.

 

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